Increased incentives for success and increased punishments for failure lead to a need to invest more in player development and facilities- on the sporting side.
Is this even debatable?!? . Why is it that so many American soccer fans seem to not see the benefits of an open system when every other country sees it?
In addition to the obvious beneficial aspects of how it impacts communities and club investments
It is not debatable. No reasonable argument exists against promotion and relegation except from investors who want a closed system so they have to spend money or compete.
When I was a kid growing up in school, we used to call that “communism.”
Really good video, but one of the things that was not mentioned which I will add to the long list of benefits is that academy structures improve as a result of promotion and relegation in the professional leagues because of connected youth clubs, get the increased investment and the benefits from the competition and on top of that you have Independent youth clubs that are looking to develop players more aggressively.
The United States has consistently been mediocre - why has the USMNT not gotten ANY better since the mid 1990's- a USMNT gets to the Copa semis in Uruguay in 1995 yet can't get out of a group with Panama at home in 2024?
Kartik good video but dumbed down for the masses- you can do better, and you and others like you could write a dissertation about the benefits of PRO/REL which are obvious to ANYONE who has worked in or played the game at a high-level.
I cannot believe we feel we still need "justify" the benefits of PRO/REL. It's so painfully obvious and logical.
I like that you are doing this series but do not like that
1- You have to "dumb it down"
2- You have to do it at all because so many people are myopic on this matter
Very few people who know more about the sport than him in this country have noticed recently he’s doing shorter and shorter things maybe because his analytics show people are dropping off after a certain length of a podcast or a video?
We live in this world now where people want automatic feedback and don’t have the patience to listen to long dissertations unfortunately.
but it would be great to get a white paper out there whether it comes from KK or someone like him about why this is so badly need it
Kartik, thanks for keeping the topics hot with discussion. I would ask so many pro/rel supporters to explain. Let me start by saying, I am a supporter of pro/rel as a concept, yet most compare to other countries. Many of the same proponents of pro/rel also don't understand the cost of travel. If pro/rel were to happen and we would look to have a system in place that would make teams more likely to thrive and survive, it would need to start with regionalization, then the current system would have to be turned on its head. Most countries you get promoted, you get $. Example, when Sutton United were promoted from the National League to League 2 the first year Wrexham didn't promote. Sutton received I believe 4M pounds. With that, they had to use over 2M of that for stadium upgrades and removal of the turf and install natural grass. In turn they had to find a new facility to train in order to protect the playing surface. They then had to hire academy positions required by the FA that cost them and in the end they had less than 1M left to get players and keep going. Two years later they relegated and got money as a parachute.
The american system would need to not charge teams to get a franchise but reward them for winning. Most lower league teams in america would fold year 1 with promotion as the current geographics and infrastructure. So while we all can argue for or against it seems a moot point until major changes happen. JMO
Dozens of teams are folding right now because of the closed system not because of promotion and relegation! No country has a greater fail rate a professional soccer clubs than the United States and it’s not even close!!!!!
Right! A 50% fail rate or higher. A few clubs have gone out of business in Italy only a few and who goes out of business in England or Germany or Spain recently?
The J-League opening up is part of the reason Japan has raced by us. Hiring experts like Tom Byer helped also.
Is this even debatable?!? . Why is it that so many American soccer fans seem to not see the benefits of an open system when every other country sees it?
In addition to the obvious beneficial aspects of how it impacts communities and club investments
It is not debatable. No reasonable argument exists against promotion and relegation except from investors who want a closed system so they have to spend money or compete.
When I was a kid growing up in school, we used to call that “communism.”
Really good video, but one of the things that was not mentioned which I will add to the long list of benefits is that academy structures improve as a result of promotion and relegation in the professional leagues because of connected youth clubs, get the increased investment and the benefits from the competition and on top of that you have Independent youth clubs that are looking to develop players more aggressively.
The United States has consistently been mediocre - why has the USMNT not gotten ANY better since the mid 1990's- a USMNT gets to the Copa semis in Uruguay in 1995 yet can't get out of a group with Panama at home in 2024?
Kartik good video but dumbed down for the masses- you can do better, and you and others like you could write a dissertation about the benefits of PRO/REL which are obvious to ANYONE who has worked in or played the game at a high-level.
I cannot believe we feel we still need "justify" the benefits of PRO/REL. It's so painfully obvious and logical.
I like that you are doing this series but do not like that
1- You have to "dumb it down"
2- You have to do it at all because so many people are myopic on this matter
KK is a really smart guy.
Very few people who know more about the sport than him in this country have noticed recently he’s doing shorter and shorter things maybe because his analytics show people are dropping off after a certain length of a podcast or a video?
We live in this world now where people want automatic feedback and don’t have the patience to listen to long dissertations unfortunately.
but it would be great to get a white paper out there whether it comes from KK or someone like him about why this is so badly need it
Kartik, thanks for keeping the topics hot with discussion. I would ask so many pro/rel supporters to explain. Let me start by saying, I am a supporter of pro/rel as a concept, yet most compare to other countries. Many of the same proponents of pro/rel also don't understand the cost of travel. If pro/rel were to happen and we would look to have a system in place that would make teams more likely to thrive and survive, it would need to start with regionalization, then the current system would have to be turned on its head. Most countries you get promoted, you get $. Example, when Sutton United were promoted from the National League to League 2 the first year Wrexham didn't promote. Sutton received I believe 4M pounds. With that, they had to use over 2M of that for stadium upgrades and removal of the turf and install natural grass. In turn they had to find a new facility to train in order to protect the playing surface. They then had to hire academy positions required by the FA that cost them and in the end they had less than 1M left to get players and keep going. Two years later they relegated and got money as a parachute.
The american system would need to not charge teams to get a franchise but reward them for winning. Most lower league teams in america would fold year 1 with promotion as the current geographics and infrastructure. So while we all can argue for or against it seems a moot point until major changes happen. JMO
and if pro/rel leads to financial issues and the team folds… how does that help player development exactly?
Dozens of teams are folding right now because of the closed system not because of promotion and relegation! No country has a greater fail rate a professional soccer clubs than the United States and it’s not even close!!!!!
Right! A 50% fail rate or higher. A few clubs have gone out of business in Italy only a few and who goes out of business in England or Germany or Spain recently?
The J-League opening up is part of the reason Japan has raced by us. Hiring experts like Tom Byer helped also.
Wait for next week. It will be discussed but not in this video.
My goodness gracious!
How many teams fold in the closed system?!!!